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629: An Upsetting and Confusing Time to Be Me
🗣️ New ATP Member Special: ATP Tier List: Corporate Logos Tim Cook teaser History lesson Mac Studio General announcement M3 Ultra announcement M3 Ultra Ars Technica It is 2× M3 Max According to to 🇫🇷 website: no interposer in M4 Max Gurman in April 2024 M4 MacBook Air Announcement iPad 6GB RAM, as was foretold Gurman misssed on this one iPad Air Announcement Audio regression? Post-show: Casey does free labor for Apple John’s computer speakers are dying ☹️ Possible replacement #1: Kanto ORA Possible replacement #2: Kanto ORA4 Members-only ATP Overtime: Siri is falling ever-further behind Next-gen Siri is delayed? (14 February) Apple Intelligence Reaches Make-or-Break Point? (3 March) Siri remains trash Amazon steps up to the AI plate Interview with Panos Panay Sponsored by: DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code atp. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
628: There’s a Certain Smell
Pre-show: Marco messed with the system Zoom F1 USB Pre 2 Schitt Jotunheim Follow-up: New “Boundless” immersive episode: Arctic Surfing Bono Autobiography Prospects for humanoid robots macOS testing (via Anonymous) With apologies to Joe Rosensteel Exhibit A Exhibit B Exhibit C Netflix’s Apple TV integration It’s more than just the app (via Serena) What purpose does the TV app serve? (via Daniel Luz) Implementation details (via Anonymous) iPhone 16e Name implications Possible role? (via Patch) Apple C1 MagSafe isn’t a problem No, really C1 is “just the start” Wendover video link It’s really quite impressive (via Pedro Fernandes) 0.0000000000000316 W Andru Edwards’ Behind-the-Scenes Tour Qualcomm licensure? (via Casey in episode 476 at around 40m) FTC vs. Qualcomm 2018 article on licensing costs The licensing costs were also lowered in 2018 Gurman on future Cx chips Apple investigates custom Wi-Fi chips as well Apple approves new wording for emails Not just in the EU Apple pulls Advanced Data Protection in the UK Full statement Screenshot Time for pressure (via Berbakay) 🎉 Hyperspace is out!!! 🎉 iPhone 17 camera bumps Leak Apple pledges $500B domestic spend Upgrade #552: Table for Six Woes in North Carolina Post-show: The Hyperspace icon Members-only ATP Overtime: New “Apple-like” camera: Sigma BF Introductory video PetaPixel’s first reaction L-Mount lens Exclusively sponsored by: Google Gemini: A tool to complement and enhance human creativity.
627: Dragged Across the Line
Pre-show: Restaurant adventures continue VoIP ATA Ubiquiti Managed VoIP Follow-up: Apple Account transfers Updated restrictions & guidelines Stephen’s take The UK’s no-good, very-bad law WSJ opinion piece by Green & Stamos Matthew Green’s blog post macOS UNIX compliance Goodbye, Humane. We hardly knew you. And you hardly knew anything. Jay Peters at The Verge Humane press release Humane support document iPhone 16e announced Intro video Apple TV app is now on Android Netflix and foot-guns The Verge, 14 February, 9:25 AM: Hell hath frozen over Screenshot of linking Netflix account Apple TV app The Verge, 14 February, 2:17 PM: Netflix says “our bad” Joe Rosensteel Post-show: An update on Casey’s status board Installation photo HomeSeer HS-WD200+ Dongle ZWave ZWaveJS UI Members-only ATP Overtime: Robots are, like, so in right now. Meta Bloomberg coverage Tesla As usual, Elon is a blowhard Google Apple Kuo’s tweet Sponsored by: DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Factor: Healthy Eating, Made Easy. Use code factorpodcast to get 50% off and free shipping on your first box. Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code atp. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
626: No Longer ery Good
Follow-up: Flighty has other perks (via Stephen Klinck) First reports of Invites use in the wild (via Jim Weinert) You can use a cable with Sidecar (via Matt West) Why not use a Wi-Fi hotspot for “cellar Macs”? Tailgate Tub Why not AirPlay to Sonos speakers? (via Ryan Powers) DeepSeek censorship across models (via Sebastian Raschka) Technical report Has Apple ever… used… Screen Time? (via Jonathan) macOS UNIX certification (via Paulo Pinto) Thom at OSnews Migrate purchases from one Apple Account to another The new JoyCons do act as a mouse An alternative for Apple TV audio (via Nicholas Correnti) /r/TVTooHigh Casey’s new arrivals WS2812B Addressable LED strip Home is Where the Smart Is WLED ESP32 TRMNL Hyperspace updates Reclaim 1️⃣ file for real! Slack An aside about bug Apple ordered to open encrypted user accounts globally for the UK Original Washington Post article BBC coverage ELEGNT: Expressive & Functional Movement Design for Non-Anthropomorphic Robot Ask ATP: What planning/wireframing tools do we use? (via Glen Lam) Is HFS+ still relevant in 2025? (via Mike Hatfield) QNAP Would John tell us more about the many pieces of detritus associated with files? (via Leon Cowle) Post-show: Restaurant-tech update Dante Ubiquiti Flex (Useful little PoE switch) Ubiquiti Flex 2.5G PoE (2.5G version with 10G uplink) Ubiquiti Switch Flex XG (10G switch) Members-only ATP Overtime: iOS 19 UI rumors and the design language of Apple Invites Jon Prosser’s video Invites & Sports apps Sponsored by: HelloFresh: America’s #1 Meal Kit. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
625: Time and Smoke
Pre-show: BBQ ZZQ Q Follow-up: New immersive video: Man vs. Beast “Historical Commission”? Sonos volume changes are local DeepSeek censorship mechanism (via Matthew Cave) Docker Rosetta (via Brian Reiter) Hypervisor.framework Docker vs. OrbStack (also via Brian Reiter) Sending email Mailhog (via Matt Barlow) Mailpit (via John Caruso) Maildev (via Yves Serrano) ddev.com (via Bram Esposito) Also consider Development Containers (via Dewald Reynecke) Marco’s TV audio sync issues Match Format and Match Dynamic Range (via Marco Arment) Quick Media Switching Previously on ATP… QMS marketing page Demo video (via Nit) Apple Invites App Store Web Competitive (and very similar) app Partiful It’s not great on Android Demo video from Stephen Robles Flighty Sorry, iPad Pornography on the iPhone AltStore’s post Riley’s response AltStore’s second response Jason’s take Ask ATP: Why are Casey and Marco so excited for cellular Macs? (via Matthew Fenselau) Should one use their personal Apple ID on a corporate Mac (via Stephen Swift) Localsend ↪️ Gruber ↪️ Underscore Luna Display Synergy Post-show: Marco had a good weekend. Dante Food Safety Talk Members-only ATP Overtime: Subsequent Sonos Stuff Sonos’ take on the AppleTV? Ventura OS? Sonos has another round of layoffs Letter from interim CEO Tom Conrad Sponsored by: Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code atp. DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Wildgrain: Free croissants in every box and $30 off your first box. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
624: Do Less Math in Computers
🗣️ New ATP Movie Club Special! Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Follow-up: Honda Prologue vs. GM equivalents (via Matt Rigby) Apple insists it’s still going to make fetch happen ship next-generation CarPlay Handheld gaming PCs are having a moment Lenovo Legion Go S Ryan London is trolling John Black Brown John has so much RAM, he can’t even remember how much he has Hyperspace scrolling updates AppKit vs. WebKit NSCell vs. NSTableViewCell Every UUID Writing down every UUID Not all phone jacks are created equal (via John Haydon) Casey’s notification/LED project Garage door ↔ home assistant was already sorted Home Assistant Nice G.O. integration ratgdo ESP32 ESPHome Did you know you can just straight-up cut some LED strips‽ (via Kiel Olesen) WS2812B Candy buttons Historical commission application process Switch replacement options: HomeSeer HS-WX300 (via Drew Stephens) Inovelli Smart Dimmer (via everyone, including Drew Stephens) DeepSeek causes a tech stock sell-off Siri Is Super Dumb and Getting Dumber Ben Thompson’s FAQ DeepSeek-V3 paper DeepSeek distilled GPT-4o? R1 is more open than OpenAI OpenAI’s justification for hiding chain of thought Interview with DeepSeek CEO Liang Wenfeng R1 censorship Example 1 Example 2 (via Greg Pierce) Example 3 (via Gruber) Prompt engineering The Questions the Chinese Government Doesn’t Want DeepSeek AI to Answer Self-hosted doesn’t seem to censor Post-show: Marco wants to do some local web development x86 images on Apple Silicon Members-only ATP Overtime: Sonos Shakeup Sonos CEO Patrick Spence exits ✌️ …and also Chief Product Officer Maxime Boulat-Merlin ✌️ …and also Chief Commercial Officer Deidre Findlay Wall Street Journal coverage The Last King of Scotland Sponsored by: Members like you! Become a member for ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
623: It’s About Human Connection
Pre-show: #GALP 🏳️🌈❤️🏳️⚧️ Jeff Atwood: Stay Gold, America Follow-up: Apple pauses notification summaries for news apps Marco’s BMW does have dual-screen CarPlay Acura RSX: Honda’s first all-original EV Another 5K monitor enters the arena: ViewSonic VP2788-5K Thom Bullock’s tweet As per Dave Hamilton (of Mag Geek Gab), $800! Fast directory sizing lives! /System/Library/Filesystems/apfs.fs/Contents/Resources/apfs.util man apfs.util Apple sample code is on GitHub (via David Rönnqvist) Backyard Birds Food Truck Video of an iPhone 16 Pro upgrade 128 GB → 1 TB (via Joe Beninato) Also on YouTube Tim Cook on Table Manners with Jessie & Lennie Ware Overcast link Hyperspace updates Van Halen’s Brown M&Ms John’s Hyperspace Instructions Ask ATP: What should a nerd consider when buying a house? (via Jeremy Kelleher) MoCA Post-show: Casey’s Rube Goldberg machine… simplified? ATP #376: Monogamous Gaming Lifestyle Raspberry Pi Zero WH UDP Homebridge Home Assistant MQTT Mosquitto Eric Welander Members-only ATP Overtime: Nintendo Switch 2 announced The Verge coverage Sponsored by: DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Use code ATP. Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code ATP. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
622: Duplicate Garbage Generation Process
Follow-up: AirPod noises Gui Rambo & AirBuddy One of the noises is “the case battery is low” (via Zach) Also, more on status lights (via Tom French) Another noise is a calibration noise (via Ian Williamson) Knowledge base How to turn off charging sounds Look, ma! We’re famous! AirPod Noises (via Patch) TVs at CES 2025 Hisense’s 116UX with RGB mini-backlight Digital Trends coverage HDTVTest coverage DLSS History (via Hampus Jensen) Explanation (via flunkedflank) Digital Foundry explanation video Mac monitors Some foreign options (via Henry Chen) MacRumors thread Kuycon G27-X Another option (via Tim Ngwena) Asus ProArt Display 6K PA32QCV Quick look video DisplayHDR 600 spec Dynamic Island Live Alert (via Dan Engler) 🤮 Tim Cook donates $1 million to Trump inaguration 🤮 The Verge Google and Microsoft join in Citizens United Nvidia bends a knee Charles Erwin Wilson’s nomination for Secretary of Defense TestFlight subscriptions on macOS TestFlight for ATP members Name reveal Manage subscriptions API Marco and Casey price John’s app Post-show Neutral: Winter report card for Tina’s Civic Casey has connected Erin’s car to Home Assistant Marco’s new[-ish] car update Members-only ATP Overtime: Honda EVs at CES Afeela (Honda 🤝🏻 Sony) 1 Honda Zero Ars Techica Acura NSX F-4 Phantom II F-16 Fighting Falcon Sponsored by: Members like you! Become a member for ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
621: I'll Meet You Any Time You Want
Pre-show: Our AirPods are trying to talk to us but we can’t understand them 20k Hz The Sound of Apple 1.0 The Sound of Apple 2.0 Auto-Tone (Rivian) statuslight.com Follow-up: That gas car review post that Marco was thinking of Former example Actual link we couldn’t [previously] find (via K) Another example And another The Find My app can make Macs make noise (via Miles) Maybe iOS 18’s Photos app isn’t all bad? (via Tim Luft) The Magic Mouse The Apology Mouse did not have side buttons The Mighty Mouse did MKBHD’s blind ranking interview with Tim Cook Editorialized reel What will the new one be? Ridiculous mouse rumor Gurman’s take Hello, Computer Death to buttons? Death to ports? (In the name of handedness) Maybe ape the Logitech MX Anywhere? (via Karan J) Perhaps a common charging approach? Apple already makes Wi-Fi & Bluetooth chips (via Ian Williamson) Meshtastic is another application for John and Casey’s new favorite thing, LoRa (via James Andrews) CES 2025 TVs What’s John got his eyes on? Sony 💔 Samsung’s new QD-OLED HDTVTest Digital Trends LG’s flagship goes MLA → Tandem OLED Microlens Tandem OLED Panasonic talks about the new LG panel “Primary RGB Tandem OLED Panel” HDTVTest on the Z95B More “AI” coming to TVs ☹️ Big TVs are big LG Unveils UltraFine 6K Display with Thunderbolt 5 Recent ATP Overtime on monitors was in Episode #618 Dell UltraSharp 32 6K Monitor “U3224KB” Dell no longer makes XPS computers Mocked at their own launch is not a great look Engadget’s take Nvidia’s announcements Nvidia announces RTX 5090 and 5080 GPUs DLSS 4 Explainer video from Nvidia Deep learning super sampling Nvidia AI supercomputer “Digits” ~~Concepts of~~ a plan for desktop CPU TestFlight access to John’s app is [likely] coming for ATP members only Post-show: Thanks, Patrons 💙 Marco bought something. HDCP Members-only ATP Overtime: Apple Intelligence summaries may get warning labels BBC report 1 and report 2 Apple’s response Allen Pike’s Apple Intelligence evaluation Sponsored by: DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Wildgrain: Free croissants in every box and $30 off your first box. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
620: Mostly Cookies
Pre-show: Holiday results Steven Levy: Gone, Without a Trace Casey’s impending mess John needs technical support Follow-up: FotS Spencer found the gas car from the perspective of an EV owner On Recents in the Finder sidebar Michael Starke points out it isn’t new Odin points out it’s a default Joe Lion has complaints Possible next-generation Vision Pro displays (via Erich Jurgens) Vison Pro teardown Samsung’s screen breakthrough Sony’s OLED microdisplay Be suspect of iPhone Mirroring on corporate Macs Original blog post ~/Library/Daemon Containers/{…}/Data/Library/Caches iOS 18 Photos hate (via Quinn) Apple’s Wi-Fi & Bluetooth chip, and Magic Mouse update? MKBHD asks Tim Cook about the Magic Mouse Post-show: Casey has joined the YoLink bandwagon Casey’s super-shady installation LoRa Casey’s starter pack YoLink FAQ John’s starter pack Water Leak Detector YoLink store at Amazon Members-only ATP Overtime: Fast Directory Sizing WWDC 2016 #701: Introducing Apple File System Direct video link Slides PDF About Apple File System Apple File System Reference dirstat.h dirstat.c Sponsored by: Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code ATP. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
619: Master Plan to Take Over the World
Pre-show: New member special: ATP Insider: Making The Show Become an ATP Member to listen ATP Gift Memberships Follow-up: “Hey, Future Marco” wasn’t discussed on the member’s special (via Martim) Can Marco recognize waveforms? Descript Emo Siri It started before 18.2 (via Dan Mielcarz) She pahks heah cah… sometimes? (via Dave Martin) Immersive video More about the Blackmagic immersive camera (via videoalex) Insta360 Titan Software-based immersive video Depth Anything Immersive video prior art (via James O’Loughlin) Welcome to Light Fields Deep View Video Neural Radiance Fields for View Synthesis (via Joseph Humfre) Demo for the Meta Quest John’s app More on Smart Update and clones from Dave Nanian Unexpected gains in software (via Peter Marks) Why even bother, asks Harvey Simon New Vision Pro content — again! Apple and bootable macOS backups Mike Bombich at Carbon Copy Cloner has thoughts Original blog post from May 2021 Secure boot asr: Apple Software Restore Ask ATP: Does the new Recents item in Finder conflict with Apple’s privacy stance? (via Cira Mazzola) What’s the correct location to save random scripts? (via tuckerk) ~/bin /usr/local/bin Do we use the macOS firewall? (via Saul Sutherland) What are we using for cameras these days? (via Torstein) Fuji X-T5: black recommended for control legibility 27mm pancake (41mm equiv.) 16-50 zoom (24-76mm equiv.): small, light, great quality 16-55 f/2.8 II zoom (24-84mm equiv.): surprisingly small and light for f/2.8, great quality Fuji GFX 100S (old version; this is the current one) 50mm “pancake” (40mm equiv.) Olympus OM-D E-M10 Sony a7 III SEL2470GM2 Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM II Post-show: Erin’s Volvo XC90 PHEV, ~6 months on Including a detour to discuss professional Christmas light installation Members-only ATP Overtime: The Best & Worst of 2024 Sponsored by: Members like you! Become a member for ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
618: Type System Says No
New member-exclusive ATP Insider: Making The Show Follow-up: John’s [hopefully] (?) forthcoming app A funny conspiracy theory shared by Thomas Alvarez Christian Kent’s correct/joke More app name ideas… Experts have weighed in on John’s idea Alternative space-saving idea from Timm Schoof Using self-service parts for upgrade is not really possible because ✨software✨ Pinstripes are back, baby! Jeff Johnson Reddit post Is Siri… emotional… now? Marco’s new e-ink toy Integrations API Note that it’s backordered for a bit New Wildlife immersive video episode Blackmagic announces immersive video camera _’s toot Quicktime VR Matterport Apple Vision Pro 🤝 PlayStation VR2 Controllers PlayStation VR2 Steve Jobs quoting Alan Kay People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware. Post-show: John’s app progress Casey’s thoughts on [dire lack of] Apple documentation Meet StoreKit for SwiftUI (WWDC 2023) Apple’s Backyard Birds sample app map(_:) Hacking with Swift Members-only ATP Overtime: The Mac monitor situation 5K is 5120 × 2880 Marc Edwards’ chart Samsung ViewFinity S9 5K At the time of recording, on sale for $720 Jason’s review ASUS ProArt Display 5K PA27JCV Professional Monitor Review by D. Griffin Jones BenQ PD2730S ASUS PorArt Display 6K PA32QCV Apple’s plans Sponsored by: Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code ATP. MasterClass: Learn from the world’s best. Video lessons that inspire. Aura Frames: The best digital photo frame. Use code ATP for $35 off the best-selling Carver Mat frame. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
617: The Incredibly Dangerous App
Pre-show: Laundry tactics Follow-up: Last (?) batch of football (🏈) news Channels Simon B. Støvring on the Festivitas holiday lights CGPath Casey’s phone could recognize his washing machine chime Apple has a self-service repair store (via Ricky Haase) FotS Jonathan Dietz Jr. on SSD performance M1-M3: ioreg -lrw0 -d1 -c AppleANS3NVMeController M4: ioreg -lrw0 -d1 -c AppleANS3CGv2Controller M4 Extreme is allegedly canceled Original post on The Information Gruber’s take The Case for a True Mac Pro Successor John’s adventures in saving space Symbolic links Hard links ditto diskDedupe SuperDuper! visionOS 2.2, macOS 15.2, and Mac Virtual Display Casey’s toots At the library Mac Virtual Display in action “Study Room 1” Casey is such a dork 🤓 Post-show: Should Casey delay a Callsheet launch in hope of an App Store feature? Members-only ATP Overtime: Macintosh emulator is forbidden from third party app stores 👎🏻 Apple’s self-described notarization boundaries Notarization Review Guidelines Mini vMac Sponsored by: Tailscale: A secure network that just works. DeleteMe: Making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online. Aura Frames: The best digital photo frame. Use code ATP for $45 off the best-selling Carver Mat frame. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
616: I Have No Grippers
Pre-show: Marco [re-]discovers progressives Follow-up: Yet more football (🏈) news Seriously y’all, the Giants are so bad 😭 TVEverywhere & Channels AVP immersive content tallies (via _) Cleaning a Mac keyboard while screensaver lock is on (via Paradise Pete) We are one again asking you to consider [CleanupBuddy] (https://cleanupbuddy-app/) Another explanation for ballooning app sizes (via Alex) More thoughts on Mac SSD upgrades (via FotS Jonathan Dietz, Jr.) Anobit Yet apparently reverse-engineered upgrades are coming? Polysoft Kickstarter Luke Miani tries it Threads tests allowing users to choose their own default feed Ivory Reeder Tapestry Zuck’s post Pat Gelginer is out at Intel Ben Thompson’s take (Paywalled) Ben Bajarin’s take Larrabee Fairchild Semiconductor #askatp: What do we wish we could add to our apps, but Apple prevents? The Mac is the Model Festivitas Post-show: Members-only ATP Overtime: Photography Corner Tips from FotS Tyler Stalman Cropping isn’t always necessary (via Nicholas Gaffney) Psychology of photography (via Matt Johnson) Sponsored by: 1Password Extended Access Management: Secure every sign-in for every app on every device. Trade Coffee: Coffee at home, made better. Get your first bag free! Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code ATP. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!
615: A Mildly Brisk Walk
Pre-show: All John’s apes gone Follow-up: Casey has found yet new ways to make himself miserable Sunday Ticket updates On sale! It was free yesterday… kind of TV Everywhere An alternative approach DAZN NFL Replay Tailscale and Exit Nodes Concert for One: Raye NPR Tiny Desk Concerts NPR Tiny Desk Concert: Raye Using large external drives with macOS Photos library An anecdote from Marc Wickens Booting from an external Downloading large App Store apps App Store → Settings Competition for the wall-mounted HomePad (via Alesh Houdek) Apple Intelligence notification summaries Steve Troughton-Smith Chris Hancock DOJ says Google must sell Chrome Google’s spin response Ben Thompson’s take Gurman on a “more conversational Siri” #askatp: Can one push computation onto the performance cores? (via Andrew Hodgson) iStat Menus Why are apps getting so big? (via James Wilby) Post-show: Thanksgiving logistics Members-only ATP Overtime: Services on macOS Łukasz Rutkowski’s toot in Sean Heber’s thread Services on macOS Making a system-wide service ThisService (now defunct) Github In Automator Save your .workflow files in ~/Library/Services/ To assign a keyboard shortcut: System Settings → Keyboard → Keyboard Shortcuts (button) → Services (sidebar) → Text (list section) FastScripts Sponsored by: Masterclass: Learn from the world’s best. Video lessons that inspire. Uncommon Goods: We’re all out of the ordinary. Get 15% off your next gift. Aura Frames: The best digital photo frame. Use code ATP for $45 off the best-selling Carver Mat frame. Become a member for ATP Overtime, ad-free episodes, member specials, and our early-release, unedited “bootleg” feed!