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Everybody wants to rule the AI world
The Musk v. OpenAI trial continues, which means so do the allegations and leaks surrounding some of the most influential people in tech. Nilay and David recount the most interesting and entertaining moments from the courtroom this week, before digging into what we've learned about when Sam Altman was fired. After that, the hosts discuss OpenAI's apparent plans to build a phone, which seem utterly necessary and utterly doomed, along with the new Fitbit Air and a truly strange new home robot. Finally, in the lightning round, it's time for the Hype Desk, Brendan Carr is a Dummy, the Chinese company that wants to make everything, and the next big rebrand for xAI. Further reading: Internal Tech Emails on X: "Sam Altman texts Mira Murat We are going through the removal of Sam Altman from OpenAI in detail. Toner is relating how Sam Altman’s firing happened. Toner says she found out about ChatGPT by seeing screenshots on Twitter. Zilis sent Altman a text message of support after his 2023 ouster. Google’s taking a big swing at AI health with the Fitbit Air OpenAI is reportedly launching a phone for ChatGPT The creator of Roomba is back with a furry robot companion Inside Dreame’s wild launch event — packed with products no one can buy Dreame — the vacuum company — just ‘launched’ its own phones | The Verge Dreame’s rocket-powered car can do 0–60 in 0.9 seconds because you can just say things now A foldable iPhone dummy — on video. Apple agrees to pay iPhone owners $250 million for not delivering AI Siri DOJ assault on the NFL could end the Packers as we know them. Apple could let you pick a favorite AI model in iOS 27 xAI is becoming SpaceXAI. Microsoft gives up on Xbox Copilot AI Microsoft’s new Xbox shake-up is all about platform changes Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:00 Trial Discovery Era 00:06:00 Early OpenAI Origins 00:11:00 Elon Power Struggle 00:17:00 Altman Firing Texts 00:27:00 Why The Board Panicked 00:36:00 ChatGPT Phone Rumor 00:39:00 OpenAI Phone vs App Store 00:41:00 Why Apps Still Matter 00:44:00 Apple Siri Power Play 00:49:00 Apple Intelligence Lawsuit 00:53:00 Google Fitbit Air 00:57:00 Google Health Rebrand Backlash 01:01:00 Familiar Robot Pet Debate 01:10:00 Nintendo Star Fox Returns 01:12:00 Nintendo Weirdness Wins 01:15:00 Furry Overlap Discourse 01:16:00 Zach Gardening Surprise 01:21:00 Brendan Carr Broadband Fight 01:23:00 NFL Antitrust And Packers 01:29:00 Dreame Vaporware Parade 01:32:00 Rocket Car Reality Check 01:34:00 Elon Corporate Matryoshka 01:36:00 Xbox Ditches Copilot 01:37:00 Wrap Up And Schedule Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What an AI-designed car looks like
Car companies are beginning to use AI tools to radically speed up their development process, which could change the cars we drive forever — and have some big effects on the people who make them now. Verge contributor Tim Stevens explains. Then, The Verge’s Hayden Field catches us up on Codex vs. Claude Code, Anthropic vs. the US government, the vibes at OpenAI, and more, before helping answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about whether all the recent tech layoffs are really about AI. Further reading: The AI-designed car is taking shape | The Verge Pentagon strikes classified AI deals with OpenAI, Google, and Nvidia — but not Anthropic Google employees ask Sundar Pichai to say no to classified military AI use | The Verge Anthropic’s new cybersecurity model could get it back in the government’s good graces | The Verge Microsoft and OpenAI’s famed AGI agreement is dead | The Verge Here’s how the new Microsoft and OpenAI deal breaks down | The Verge ChatGPT downloads are slowing — and may cause problems for OpenAI’s IPO | The Verge Claude can now plug directly into Photoshop, Blender, and Ableton | The Verge OpenAI’s new security model is for ‘critical cyber defenders’ only | The Verge Anthropic releases a new Opus model amid Mythos Preview buzz | The Verge Jack Dorsey’s Block cuts nearly half of its staff in AI gamble | The Verge Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:00 Today Show Preview 00:04:00 Car Design Primer 00:08:00 AI Speeds Up Design 00:13:00 Clay Models and Craft 00:15:00 Jobs Pipeline Risk 00:18:00 Software Defined Cars 00:20:00 Regulation and Safety 00:27:00 Slate Truck Update 00:34:00 Claude Code vs Codex 00:42:00 OpenAI Vibes Check 00:44:00 PR vs AI Doomerism 00:48:00 Pentagon Deals Exclude Anthropic 00:53:00 Mythos Reality Check 00:56:00 RIP AGI Moment 01:04:00 Hotline AI Layoffs ROI 01:13:00 Wrap Up and Sign Off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Elon Musk had a bad week in court
Elon Musk spent a lot of his week trying to explain how OpenAI wronged him — but mostly just seemed to annoy everyone else in the courtroom. Nilay and David discuss Musk's testimony in the OpenAI trial, and what it might mean for the trial going forward. After that, the Hype Desk gang recommends a couple of new things to watch, before the hosts chat about the week's new gadgets, including the Steam Controller and the dual-screen Zephyrus Duo laptop. Finally, in the lightning round, Brendan Carr picks a fight over Jimmy Kimmel again, Netflix buys into the clip economy, and Taylor Swift fights the AI. Further reading: Elon Musk confirms xAI used OpenAI’s models to train Grok All the evidence unveiled so far in Musk v. Altman Elon Musk appeared more petty than prepared Elon Musk tells the jury that all he wants to do is save humanity Elon Musk’s worst enemy in court is Elon Musk Jury selection in Musk v. Altman: ‘People don’t like him’ Microsoft and OpenAI’s famed AGI agreement is dead Now that OpenAI’s Microsoft exclusivity is over, it has a new deal with Amazon and AWS. ChatGPT downloads are slowing — and may cause problems for OpenAI’s IPO Meta lost 20 million users last quarter The more young people use AI, the more they hate it Google Search queries hit an ‘all time high’ last quarter Valve’s new Steam Controller isn’t perfect, but I’m buying one anyway Valve launches the Steam Controller without the Steam Machine Why the Steam Controller is (and isn’t) a big deal Samsung’s first smart glasses have leaked Is this Samsung’s upcoming wide foldable? The long rumored foldable iPad may never see the light of day. The new Razr Ultra is still the best-looking phone out there Asus ROG Zephyrus Duo (2026) review: 2 screens 2 furious Trump demands ABC fire Jimmy Kimmel The FCC is going after the broadcast licenses of Disney-owned ABC stations Former FCC staffers agree: Brendan Carr needs to be stopped The FCC is saving Amazon’s Eero and Leo routers from its ban, too. Taylor Swift deepfakes are pushing scams on TikTok Here’s what Netflix’s new vertical video feed is like Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Intro 00:03:00 Elon vs OpenAI Overview 00:07:00 Jury Selection Drama 00:12:00 Elon's Testimony Begins 00:23:00 Trial Implications 00:26:00 Microsoft and OpenAI Split 00:30:00 The AWS Deal 00:32:00 Consumer AI Backlash 00:41:00 AI Powered Ad Targeting 00:44:00 Enterprise AI Success Story 00:45:00 Widow's Bay Recommendation 00:46:00 Apple TV Quality Content 00:48:00 Coyote vs Acme 00:55:00 Steam Controller Review 00:57:00 Universal Remote Theory 01:01:00 Smart Glasses Problem 01:05:00 Wide Foldable Phones 01:09:00 Motorola Razr Ultra 01:12:00 ASUS ROG Zephyrus Duo 01:17:00 Brendan Carr is a Dummy 01:18:00 Jimmy Kimmel Controversy 01:25:00 FCC Open Meeting Response 01:26:00 News Distortion Rule Lawsuit 01:29:00 Router Ban Update 01:33:00 Taylor Swift Trademark Strategy 01:37:00 YouTube Likeness Protection 01:41:00 Netflix Clips Feature 01:44:00 The Clip Economy Shift 01:46:00 Streaming Services vs TikTok 01:49:00 Show Wrap Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Musk and Altman go to court
Elon Musk's case against OpenAI is heading to trial. Musk is almost certainly going to lose, but he might still get everything he wants from the fight. The Verge's Liz Lopatto explains how this spat made it this far, and where it's going next. After that, The Verge's Sean Hollister tells us about the latest products from Framework, including the company's coolest laptop yet — and a keyboard for couch potatoes. Finally, Sean helps David answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about the Surface Go and other small PCs, which might be due for a comeback. Further reading: Musk vs. Altman is here, and it’s going to get messy Mark Zuckerberg lies about content moderation to Joe Rogan’s face A look at the evidence of Elon Musk’s lawsuit against Open AI Framework announces Laptop 13 Pro, ‘the MacBook Pro for Linux users’ Framework is building a better couch keyboard because everyone hates the Logitech one Framework’s first OCuLink eGPUs hack its laptop into a desktop PC Microsoft Surface Go review: a little goes a long way Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Rabbit R1 Returns 00:05:00 Musk vs OpenAI 00:07:00 What the Lawsuit Claims 00:11:00 Musk Motives and Remedies 00:16:00 Discovery Dirt and Strays 00:22:00 Altman Reputation Stakes 00:28:00 Risks for Musk and IPO 00:37:00 Framework Laptop Pro 00:41:00 Battery Life and Specs 00:43:00 Display Specs Upgrade 00:44:00 Battery And Memory Gains 00:45:00 Modular Upgrades Promise 00:50:00 Transparency And Community 00:53:00 Who This Laptop Is For 00:54:00 Linux First Developer Pitch 00:56:00 Pricing And Value 01:01:00 Couch Keyboard Upgrade 01:13:00 Vergecast Hotline Tiny Laptops 01:16:00 Arm Chip Revolution Explained 01:22:00 Wrap Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
AirPods, Touch Bars, and the rest of Tim Cook's legacy
Now that we've had a few days to digest the Apple CEO succession news, Nilay and David get some help from Daring Fireball's John Gruber to discuss Tim Cook's legacy, the potential for change under John Ternus, and whether the Touch Bar actually could have been great. Then, Nilay and David react to some breaking news: Microsoft is going back to the Xbox. And everything is an Xbox now. Finally, in the lightning round, we have a round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, a very 2026 new microphone, a BMW we can't figure out, and Meta's new AI training tool: its employees. We’re also on video! Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Further reading: Behold the cursed 2027 BMW 7 Series interior (via Car and Driver) Tim Cook’s departure is the start of a new era at Apple Read Tim Cook’s letter to the Apple world as he departs as CEO Wearable health tech might be Tim Cook’s greatest legacy Who is Apple’s new CEO John Ternus? Tim Cook: “I am healthy. My energy is high, and I plan to be in this new role for a long time.” Xbox Game Pass Ultimate gets a price cut but loses new Call of Duty games Microsoft says the ‘idea’ of an Xbox mobile store ‘is not dead’ Call of Duty never made much sense for Xbox Game Pass We found Microsoft’s amicus brief about the Xbox mobile game store. Variety: Trump’s FCC Wants Input on Whether ‘Transgender and Gender Nonbinary’ TV Programming Is ‘Appropriate’ for Children Anthropic’s most dangerous AI model just fell into the wrong hands Insta360 is putting screens on its next wireless mics to show logos or images Now Meta will track what employees do on their computers to train its AI agents --EPISODE RUNDOWN-- (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:01:00 Tim Cook to step down as Apple CEO 00:50:00 Xbox rebrand 01:06:00 Brendan Carr is a Dummy 01:08:00 FCC targets "transgender and gender nonbinary" kids' TV 01:13:00 Mythos 01:21:00 BMW 7-Series' confusing interior 01:27:00 Insta360 mic with screen 01:30:00 Meta tracks employees Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Vergecast Vergecast, 2026 edition
We get a lot of questions about how we make The Vergecast. And why we make The Vergecast. And how we make money, and journalism, and everything. So every once in a while, we try to answer those questions! In this episode, David and Nilay are joined by The Verge's publisher, Helen Havlak, to talk about video podcasts, ads, subscriptions, Nilay's jackets, and much more. Curious about those video podcasts we discussed? Check us out on YouTube. Jealous of those Verge subscriptions we discussed? Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters and our ad-free podcast feed. Have more questions for us? We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. --EPISODE RUNDOWN-- (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 David's late night stroll 00:02:00 Today's Vergecast is about The Vergecast 00:03:00 New verge.com website just dropped 00:09:00 Following feature insights 00:13:00 Open Social Web plans 00:25:00 Verge audience demographics 00:31:00 Monetization 00:48:00 Audio vs. video podcasts 00:54:00 Supporting The Verge 01:00:00 Old Verge video style 01:07:00 Verge alumni 01:12:00 Why is it called Brendan Carr is a Dummy? 01:14:00 Nilay's jackets 01:21:00 How has gadget blogging changed? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apple’s got a new CEO: The Vergecast Livestream
For the first time in 15 years, Apple is getting a new CEO. Tim Cook is stepping down, and John Ternus is taking the biggest job at one of the biggest companies in the world. News this big can only mean one thing: emergency Vergecast! Nilay and David broke down the news, their immediate reactions, and what they think might be in store for Apple going forward. To watch our livestreams as they stream live, check us out on YouTube. Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters and our ad-free podcast feed. We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The 'AI is inevitable' trap
The AI vibes continue to find all-time lows. David and Nilay open the show by talking through the absurd Allbirds pivot to AI, the attacks on Sam Altman, and the increasing divide between what AI companies say is inevitable and what people actually want. Then, the Hype Desk crew talks Coachella and RAMageddon, before David and Nilay catch up on the Live Nation-Ticketmaster monopoly suit and the increasing price of everything. In the lightning round, it's time for Brendan Carr is a dummy, satellite internet, brain-computer interfaces, and the Trump Phone. Further reading: Allbirds announced a switch from shoes to AI and its stock jumped 600 percent The Allbirds pivot to… meme stock? The attacks on Sam Altman are a warning for the AI world Sam Altman reportedly targeted in second attack Altman attack suspect proposed “Luigi’ing some tech CEOs.” Stanford’s AI study NYT: Half of Gen Z Uses AI, but Their Feelings Are Souring, Study Shows Reese Witherspoon on Threads on AI Ticketmaster is an illegal monopoly, jury finds A jury is about to decide the fate of Ticketmaster Microsoft counters the MacBook Neo with freebies for students YouTube Premium is getting pricier RAMageddon has come for Microsoft’s Surface Pro and Surface Laptop Meta blames RAM shortage for $100 Quest 3 price hike FCC’s Brendan Carr again blasts deals between NFL and streaming services The FCC just saved Netgear from its router ban for no obvious reason Netgear and the FCC have not responded to our emails. Did Neuralink make the wrong bet? Apple and Amazon are teaming up to challenge Starlink’s smartphone ambitions Point, Musk. Amazon’s Starlink competitor now has an airplane antenna. Amazon’s Starlink competitor Leo gets a new date The new Trump Phone design is here Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. --EPISODE RUNDOWN-- (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Allbirds Goes AI 00:06:00 From Shoes to Tech Hype 00:09:00 Altman Attacks and Backlash 00:13:00 Why AI Feels Threatening 00:18:00 Gen Z Polls and Trust Gap 00:29:00 Reese Witherspoon AI Pushback 00:35:00 Hype Desk Returns 00:36:00 RAM Apocalypse and Wikifeet 00:39:00 Coachella Livestream Era 00:43:00 Ticketmaster Monopoly Verdict 00:47:00 MacBook Neo Spurs Microsoft 00:49:00 OpenAI Clouds and Copilot Backlash 00:51:00 Windows vs Mac Value Shift 00:54:00 The Pricing Apocalypse Hits 00:55:00 Why YouTube Premium Costs More 01:02:00 Lightning Round 01:03:00 Brendan Carr is a Dummy 01:07:00 NFL Antitrust Exemption Fight 01:15:00 Amazon Buys Globalstar 01:22:00 FCC Router Ban Chaos 01:27:00 Trump Phone Gets Realer 01:31:00 Neuralink Bet 01:32:00 Wrap Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Ben McKenzie vs. crypto
During the height of the cryptocurrency craze a few years ago, the actor Ben McKenzie found himself wondering why no one else was seeing what he was seeing. He joins the show to explain his yearslong attempt to understand Bitcoin and the crypto world, all of which is in his new documentary Everyone Is Lying to You For Money. (You can probably guess how he feels.) After that, The Verge's Victoria Song tells us about her testing of continuous glucose monitors, which have gone from medical device to influencer trend in some worrying ways. Finally, we answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about why all our gadgets seem the same these days. Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology Further reading: Everyone is Lying to You for Money Low interest rates and loneliness: the origins of the pandemic crypto boom Continuous glucose monitoring made me continuously crazy Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Sprinkler Duty Intro 00:03:00 Ben McKenzie Crypto Journey 00:04:00 Is Crypto Really Money 00:09:00 El Salvador Reality Check 00:11:00 Could Crypto Ever Work 00:14:00 Crypto Culture 00:19:00 Casino Capitalism And Crime 00:23:00 Why Bitcoin Keeps Rising 00:30:00 CGMs Explained 00:32:00 FDA OTC And Wellness Boom 00:33:00 Government Push For Wearables 00:39:00 Longevity Wearables Boom 00:41:00 Why Try CGMs 00:44:00 Scary Readings Doctor Visit 00:47:00 Living in the Data 00:48:00 Apps Scores Calibration 00:51:00 Disordered Eating Spiral 00:54:00 No Consensus for Non Diabetics 00:57:00 Medication Tradeoffs 01:00:00 Wellness vs Medical Regulation 01:04:00 Using CGMs Thoughtfully 01:10:00 Vergecast hotline 01:11:00 Why Gadgets Got Bland 01:22:00 Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Fear and loathing at OpenAI
In a week filled with important news about important people, David and Nilay start the show with the biggest news of all: their silly tech projects. After some updates on iMac repurposing and vibe-coded productivity tools, the hosts turn to the state of OpenAI, and the big story from The New Yorker about whether we should trust CEO Sam Altman with the future of AI. After that, it's time for the lightning round, with the latest Brendan Carr is a Dummy shenanigans, and the New York Times' latest attempt to identify Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin. Is it, in fact, Adam Back? And does it even matter? Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology Further reading: First photos of solar eclipse from Artemis II crew look almost too good to be real Artemis II astronauts break a record, name a crater Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted? | The New Yorker The vibes are off at OpenAI Sam Altman is “unconstrained by truth.” OpenAI’s AGI boss is taking a leave of absence OpenAI made economic proposals — here’s what DC thinks of them CNN Defends Authenticity Of Iranian “Victory” Statement After Donald Trump Posts Irate Claim It Was A “Fraud” From The New York Times: Who Is Satoshi Nakamoto? My Quest to Unmask Bitcoin’s Creator The latest Satoshi Nakamoto unmasking. Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The case for banning cookie banners
Cookie banners — those pop-ups that appear on practically every webpage demanding you accept their tracking systems — are one of the most consistent low-grade annoyances of life online. But Kate Klonick, a professor and writer, argues they're actually much worse than that, and the only plausible solution is to get rid of them entirely. After that, The Verge's Allison Johnson tells us about her AI-enhanced Google Maps experience, and why the new Ask Maps feature has the potential to be both incredibly cool and incredibly creepy. Then, she helps David answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about whether E Ink phones might solve all our problems. Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology Further reading: Ban Cookie Banners: A Case Study in Tech Regulation by Kate Klonick Kate’s website Google Maps is getting AI-powered ‘Ask Maps’ feature and more immersive navigation I let Gemini in Google Maps plan my day and it went surprisingly well TCL’s new Nxtpaper phones have a dedicated button for maximum monochrome Boox Palma 2 Pro review: one step forward, one step back Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apple's best product ever
We love a ranking here on The Vergecast, and it’s time for the hardest one yet: David and Nilay compare notes on the 50 best products Apple has ever made, and see how their answers stack up to the many, many voters on The Verge this week. Before that, though, it’s time for a bit of AI news — surprise, it’s enterprise software! — and the comeback of the Hype Desk. After all that, and after the rankings, we do a round of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, talk about the fediverse, and repurpose our old iMacs. Vote for The Vergecast in the Webby Awards! A vote for The Vergecast is a vote that Brendan Carr is a dummy, that buttons are good, and that party speakers rule the world. Voting is open until April 16. https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/technology Further reading: OpenAI’s big numbers: $122 billion funding round, 900 million weekly ChatGPT users. Why OpenAI killed Sora I think Google is taking a couple digs at OpenAI about Sora. Apple’s third-party Siri Extensions could lead to an AI App Store. Microsoft’s new ‘superintelligence’ game plan is all about business OpenAI acquires TBPN | OpenAI Apple turns 50: celebrating five decades of the tech giant Everything is iPhone now Steve Jobs and the greatest run of products in tech history How the invention of QuickTime changed computers forever The triumphs and failures of Apple without Steve Jobs The Apple product that really changed the industry: the MacBook Air Apple at 50: a visual history The origin story of Apple’s long-running relationship with Foxconn Apple’s long, bitter App Store antitrust war Snazzy Labs' iMac - Studio Display Mod Guide Flipboard Surf launches social websites combining Bluesky, Mastodon, RSS, and more These Raspberry Pi price hikes are no joke Today is the final day to save up to $150 on a PS5 before the price goes up Sony temporarily suspends memory card sales due to shortages The White House has an app now, and Trump wants you to report people to ICE on it What’s inside the White House app? Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Apple at 50: the good and the bad
It's Apple 50 week, so we've got an Apple-filled podcast. First, longtime Apple journalist Jason Snell joins the show to talk about the state of the company as a hardware maker, a software maker, a force for good in the world, and more. Then, blogger and entrepreneur Anil Dash explains why he's worried about the rise of video podcasts, and the role Apple could play to make it better. Finally, The Verge's Allison Johnson helps answer a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about swapping your phone for a watch. And a tablet. And some other things. Further reading: Rank the 50 best Apple Products Apple in 2025: The Six Colors report card Apple turns 50: celebrating five decades of the tech giant Apple II Forever! “Wherever you get your podcasts” is a radical statement. Why Apple’s move to video could endanger podcasting's greatest power Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Meta's court losses could be just the beginning
We start with some important business: Nilay has a flight to catch, and is very worried he won't catch it. Also, it's Apple's 50th anniversary next week, and we're going to spend the week debating which Apple products are the best Apple products. (Head to the ad-free Vergecast feed to hear our selection show!) But mostly, this episode is about social media. In two key trials this week, juries found social platforms liable not for the content they display but for the actual structure and features of the platform. That could change the way social media companies act, and how users fight back. After that, it's time for the silliness of the router ban, the latest in the chatbot wars, and an update on what's happening with Grammarly's Expert Voices feature. Further reading: Rank your top 50 Apple products Verge subscribers, here’s how to set up ad-free podcasts The TSA is broken — is privatization next? What is ICE actually doing at American airports? Meta misled users about its products’ safety, jury decides Meta and YouTube found negligent in landmark social media addiction case Social media on trial: tech giants face lawsuits over addiction, safety, and mental health What it was like to watch grieving parents stare down Mark Zuckerberg in court A bombshell child safety leak changed Meta — for the worse Internal chats show how social media companies discussed teen engagement 2026 is the year of social media’s legal reckoning The US government just banned consumer routers made outside the US The United States router ban, explained FCC green-lights Nexstar's $6.2B merger with rival TV station owner Tegna Cox Communications not liable for pirated music, Supreme Court rules Confronting the CEO of the AI company that impersonated me North Carolina man pleads guilty to AI music streaming fraud. Apple is testing a standalone app for its overhauled Siri OpenAI is planning a desktop ‘superapp’ This is Microsoft’s plan to fix Windows 11 OpenAI just gave up on Sora and its billion-dollar Disney deal The age of piracy ended with LimeWire | Version History Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Welp, I bought an iPhone again
David is bored with his iPhone. Over the last few months, he has been testing every other phone he could get his hands on, from the Pixel to the Razr to the Unihertz Titan. And at the end of it all... David bought another iPhone. The Verge's Allison Johnson joins the show to recount some of her own phone-testing experiences, to litigate the quality of foldable and flippable phones, to debate Android vs. iOS, and ultimately to help David decide whether he actually bought the right phone. After all that, David answers a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about whether AI can help us figure out how to use our devices better. Or maybe just use them for us. Devices are too complicated. Further reading: Motorola Razr Ultra (2025) review: looking sharp Google Pixel 10 review: perfectly fine Apple iPhone 17 review: the one to get The iPhone Air makes a strong statement Why flip phones should be the future of smartphones Who needs a laptop when you have a folding phone? Gemini’s task automation is here and it’s wild Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices