The White House’s story about James Comey’s firing is unraveling. Among those contradicting the president is the president. Guests: Michael S. Schmidt, who has been reporting on the secret conversation that may have doomed Mr. Comey; Matthew Rosenberg, who followed Thursday’s testimony by Andrew G. McCabe, the acting director of the F.B.I. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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